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FAILice For Dummies by eva-st-clare FAILice For Dummies by eva-st-clare
A reference for the :iconcirnoplz:'s! Now You Too, can make your Alice-related doujin fail in an epic manner with FAIL characterization and pointless abuse!

Because Alice is a codependent, spineless psychotic! :nod: It's totally canon. When the... no wait, it was the part in that one... the game where she... uh, well... I'm sure it was there somewhere

*scrambles*

PS, I have no idea if cyanide pills can kill youkai or not, but lets just say they can and move on

PPS: just in case you don't get the lame sarcasm, this is exactly the WRONG way to write Alice. It results in me getting stabby on you

PPPS: Yes, there is a doujin with a plot that's basically the last panel of this comic. You're welcome!
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gogopri Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My interpetion of Marisa and Alice.

Alice: Okay, we have to plan a sneak attack, We're gonn-
Marisa: Plans? What are those? My plan is Master Spark the enemy and steal everything in sight! This is an adventure!
Alice: I'll start packing the snacks then...

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:iconkeyman94:
Keyman94 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
This pretty much sums up what's "wrong" with the touhou fandom -.-'

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c0lB0h Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
You forgot cliched tsundere Alice.
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013   Traditional Artist
I didn't, it's built in.
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Hawkpath1337 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
cirnoplz
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:iconhawkpath1337:
Hawkpath1337 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
DARNIT! How's it wooooooooork?
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:iconhawkpath1337:
Hawkpath1337 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
*after looking at a typo'd comment* oh.
:iconcirnoplz:
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:iconhawkpath1337:
Hawkpath1337 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
wjit
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:iconmari0s0:
Mari0s0 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012
Search on Youtube for "Reincarnation" and you will get a little movie with Alice. She is pretty much everything exept for the "Saddest Sack"-part and the "Raging Horsebeast"-part.
Her love with Marisa also brings death to all in Gensokyo (by killing Reimu who is responsible for that to prevend).
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
I... I feel like I have seen that before, unless I'm thinking about another couple of YT videos where Alice killed everyone. Are there more? x_x Theres one where she goes on a murder rampage in the SDM, and I don't remember if it was the same video (it was by the same artist) but she killed Marisa in order to resurrect both of them into dolls, and failed...??

Too rich for my blood.
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Mari0s0 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012
It's the same video. It kinda bugged me that Flandre got killed with a sword through her back, while Remilia survived while she got half her body blewn of by one of Alice's dolls. But there are lots of things like this. Kinda sad because Alice is one of my favorites. Kinda sad that she is often depicted as lonely, creepy stalker of who knows.
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
Alice has some issues like being somewhat insecure and possibly having some repressed resentment, but I just think taking it that far is a bit extreme ^^; well, make that REALLY extreme. She doesn't act psychotic or anything in the games, maybe a little tsundere/standoffish and thats it ^^; Just because someone has a few issues doesn't mean they will ultimately snap and start murdering everyone. :roll:
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Mari0s0 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012
People tend to exaggerate characteristics of some people. It is the same with Tenshi and her "masochistic tendencies". Think about it for a moment. What would you do, if you were a immortal being with nothing to do? But variety is always good and I like different perspectives and interpretations of some characters. Sadly, the term "variety" does not apply for Tenshi for the most of the time.
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
That can be funny for a joke, I find M-Tenshi funny altho I'm ashamed to admit it, lol. But people have a tendency to overdo it, like making the 900 billionth gag about Yuyuko eating a lot... :sleepy: I mean it can be funny but the characters do have other personality traits.

Alice is one of my favorite characters too, so it's just annoying when people have this rather undeserved idea about her being totally psychotic. :lol: It CAN be used for laughs, there's this person who makes really weird/funny videos and they usually feature Failice stalking Marisa in some form (Marisa Goes To The Mountain/Seashore/Moriya Jinja, etc) but in that case I find it humorous because EVERYTHING in those videos is completely purposefully bizarre.
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Tarmo-Flake Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012
B-But, Alice killing Failchouli is correct...
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012   Traditional Artist
When did she kill Patchouli? XD

Maybe just me, I'm not a fan of yandere Alice -__- she has problems, but...
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Tarmo-Flake Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012
Oh, don't mind me. I'm just a MariAli supporter with innocent Hannibal Lecter-like Touhou fantasies.

...What?
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012   Traditional Artist
I see, I see... yoku wakarimasu ne :lol:
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:iconthevelociraptor:
thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011
You should translate this to Japanese and post it on Pixiv. There's an irritating amount of "Alice is hopeless and will never win against Reimu/Marisa wwwwwww" doujins.
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011   Traditional Artist
Hmmmmm that would be awesome... Now I wonder how I would translate 'sad sack' into Japanese. LOLLL or 'stalking'... I would need help, basically. D:

also I'd probably re-draw parts of it and make it look different, since that was actually drawn to look somewhat crappy :iconderpplz:
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:iconthevelociraptor:
thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2011
Lol is just w.

Lolllllll is wwwwwwwwwwww.

You can keep stalking in as a reference to Tsurupettan.

And nao u no!
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:iconzucreelo:
Zucreelo Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Too funny. ^^ Useful reference too for a fanworks newbie like me, orz ...

... I'm pondering on how to depict my take on broken-Alice without falling into one of these traps here. There's a fine line between depicting her a frail inner self, and ripping up some overused spineless bawing, isn't there? =,= What makes an interesting characterisation for you? I suppose it's easier in literature fanfiction, rather than in a single-picture which has the potential to be taken out of context, depending on the viewer ... </3
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2011   Traditional Artist
Well to be brief I guess it's just about not exaggerating things to a stupid degree? Someone can have neuroses or insecurities without being a psychotic, spineless, dangerous antisocial stalker or whatever. FAILice can be occasionally funny in the right humor circumstances, but I found bad characterization of her even in more 'serious' plots which is what annoyed me, I guess. I just don't like her being so abused as character or people making her like she has NO friends and does nothing but cry about why marisa doesn't love her. OR WHATEVER.

Maybe it's just me, but on some level i felt like I could understand her character, or at least read something more into it, so when it's utterly taken out of context and had all the nuance extracted from it and made into a joke, it's annoying and boring. A character without any flaws is boring too, I like her and Marisa because they are not perfect people, they have complications and quirks and insecurities too.

but anyway... just because she has some personal issues, doesn't mean she is weak and useless and spineless. I like the interaction btw her and Marisa because where she hesitates, Marisa will just rush in, and where Marisa wouldn't stop to plan, she is thinking of a clever strategy to use. ^^ but they can both use the backup in the areas where they're lacking... Her preference for caution and restraint would, necessarily, say something important about her character and why it is that she responds that way to life, as would her focus on manipulating automata. Also you could see the 'tsundere' thing as a caricature, or you could read into what that sort of behavior would really say about someone, which is ultimately fear of intimacy or trusting people, or doubting your own feelings. (I think she is canon tsundere for Marisa in IN, lolol)

I'd like to understand stuff like that rather than make it one-dimensional. And I think you can't disrespect a character that you come to understand-- one of my favorite OC's is an objectively awful person, selfish and unable to express empathy, who has hurt everyone who loves her. But I understand her so... I like her anyway, and even admire some things about her. that was really a surprise to me cos I intended her to be just a foil and example of horribleness. (it's funny when your own characters seem to do things that surprise you)
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:iconzucreelo:
Zucreelo Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ack, I just felt the need to reply to this ... I feel guilty for teasing such an in-depth explanation from you without giving much back in response, but I felt like writing something puny would be kind of an insult. Maybe it still would've been better than to write nothing lol. I'll always feel indecisive and awkward about approaching awesome comments such as yours. Why ...

;A; I'm sorry orz ... ._. Why are you so eloquent and knowledgeable and why can't I talk?

Also, I don't mean to bug you if you're busy with things, but did you ever get to look at the Alice poem and summary I sent you? I'm ... sorry if it annoyed you somehow ...
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2011   Traditional Artist
Aha please don't feel like that, I hadn't replied yet for the same reason -- my mind is a bit ummm confused and pulled apart lately and at that time I felt like I couldn't respond in a very thoughtful way, so I left it for later ^^; D: If I write 'lol thats cool bro GJ' I would be an idiot cos I had more that I'm capable of/want to say >>___<<

also, this comment I made that you're replying to, is so stupidly long I'd probably be stumped to reply lololol :dead: I don't know much, either. I just talk too much ;A;
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:iconzucreelo:
Zucreelo Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who'll feel like this then. ^^"

Thank you. :hug:
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2011   Traditional Artist
Nope, I have a backlog of notes and comments rt now to properly reply D: I'm like this all the time.
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:iconj5-daigada:
J5-daigada Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I saw this on tumblr some time ago and the style looked somehow familiar

now I found the original!
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011   Traditional Artist
It was on tumblr?? thats why all those randoms were commenting on it suddenly O__O
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:iconthevelociraptor:
thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011
It was also on Danbooru for a bit before the mods got too lazy to approve shit, per usual.
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011   Traditional Artist
what's the qualification to be approved on danbooru? I've never understood. LOL i know some of my old claymore pics are on there, or at least were at one time (probably bad s*** I have deleted here b/c it is old and suck)
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thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011
They still are.

Basically, don't suck. A lot of high-quality stuff gets approved (and seeing that Pixiv has a LOT of mediocre/crappy sketches, it helps), but the mod team's understaffed and there's always five or ten pictures that get deleted because no one was around to approve them, which was the case in your pic.

Also, trying to get them undeleted is a tedious, annoying process, since they had to have been part of a pool.
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011   Traditional Artist
ohh... I get it. so if it's NOT checked by a mod, then it gets dropped out. I didn't understand how that worked.
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thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011
And as can be expected, it is the most efficient process method ever.
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011   Traditional Artist
It seems so. :P Sounds good to me!
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J5-daigada Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
YUP at least submitted by one guy

can't tell if there were more :9
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011   Traditional Artist
I got like, 3 or 4 totally random comments on it all of a sudden a while back. (it was already an old deviation) one of them was some freak who spent a paragraph bitching about how they didn't care and people who care about touhou characters are stupid or something. OK then! Kind of weird for some totally crappy joke thing I had posted months ago.
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J5-daigada Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
HELLO IM COMING OVER HERE TO TAKE A JOKE SRSLY AND BITCH ABOUT IT

HOPE NOT TO MIND!!
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011   Traditional Artist
rofl. I REALLLLY don't care! So much that I am going to take time out of my day to rant about how much I don't care! Seriously! I don't care! :iconbakacirnoplz:
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:iconj5-daigada:
J5-daigada Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yup, ranting to them would be a waste of time

however, I enjoy laughing at them (:
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CunningTrap Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2011
This calls for a rousing "Who gives a fuck."

Touhoues barely have characterization outside of "snarky bitches" in their own games, but people get so snippy over it. It just makes no goddamned sense.
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thevelociraptor Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2011
CONGRATS! You win the award for "person who cares enough to shit on their keyboard to give a fuck".
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Logos1959 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
You are a hero
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2011   Traditional Artist
It's fandom, no other explanation is "fucking" needed. People get snippy when something annoys them for whatever reason (regardless of its importance to you, personally.) Or some people just like complaining and making fun of shit that is stupid and non-compellingly written/non-entertaining. :icontrololoplz:

If you don't give a fuck, then it wasn't made for your entertainment... jeez, it's a stupid joke.

...where are all these comments on this crappy throw-away comic coming from all of a sudden...???
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:iconkariohki:
KariOhki Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now do one that shows how to do Alice RIGHT.
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:iconeva-st-clare:
eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2011   Traditional Artist
See doujinshi by Shako and Personal Color for instructions. ^^ :iconthemoreyouknowplz:
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KimikoMuffin Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2011
I registered on DeviantArt entirely so I could post here and say that this is extremely wonderful~ So much truthiness and awesome and "it MUST be good because I personally agree with it." ;)
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2011   Traditional Artist
Thank you, I will read more of your writing, it's interesting so far... would read more but I have errands to run in a bit D:

THat said I wonder what you'd think of the fics I dashed out for MariAli
[link] From ALice's POV, cos I find her pretty easy to relate to actually
[link] (Bait and switch here, lol, and this time I wanted inside Marisa's head.)

I think a BIG problem is that I can totally see the tsundere on Alice's part, but most people just leave it at the surface/caricature level so that her behavior seems ridiculous. The way I look it, 'tsundere' is just the way someone might see the behavior of someone who's insecure, afraid of intimacy, and defensive out of self-protection.

I do see Alice as possibly being self-deluded or not knowing how to deal with her feelings (being a puppeteer indicates she fears lack of control, for one thing,) but Marisa OTOH being kind of oblivious because she is a WYSIWYG kind of personality who is up front about everything. To me if they come to an understanding, they will balance each other really well, and I think Marisa is at heart a good person who would be loyal to someone she really cares for. (SHe may not be that interested in most people because her studies are her real passion in life, but she shares that passion with Alice)

So... I see a little deep rooted loneliness or isolation in Alice, but I can't deal with the extremes some people take it to, where she is friendless totally socially retarded loser who does nothing but whine about Marisa all day. She seems basically pretty independent to me... maybe that's why it would be weird for her to have feelings for someone else? Then again I may be weird, since I found it really easy to empathise with her and read more into her motivations. (IRL, people see me as standoffish too, and just having a different way of carrying yourself doesn't mean you're a horrid bitch or something.)
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KimikoMuffin Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2011
Makes sense. Of course, in my comic, I basically skipped to after they'd already gotten enough of a handle on their feelings for each other to ... well, see comics 2 and 3. ;) (Actually, the main reason I started there was because I was just sick and tired of that BS.)

(And I'm kinda similar about the IRL part, too.)
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eva-st-clare Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2011   Traditional Artist
I can well understand that. I guess I like exploring that uncertain/beginning area, at least so far (I don't often get inspired to write any fic, that's all I've done so far in that area.)

Alice gets abused too much, overall. I think my favorite depictions of her so far have been by Personal Color and Shako. Yeah she may have some issues there as well, but she also has a backbone. well, I like the fact that she's a bit neurotic, anyway, so I don't really mind the odd bout of angsting either as long as it's not totally ridiculous :3
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